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		<title>Comment on Christmas is about Incarnation by guido</title>
		<link>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/12/02/christmas-is-about-incarnation/#comment-26</link>
		<author>guido</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey, checkout &lt;a href="http://churchandpomo.typepad.com/conversation/2006/12/revolution_and_.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; on the "church and postmodern culture" blog. The author has some interesting ideas about how the events that surround the birth of Christ might influence the way in which we engage our culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, checkout <a href="http://churchandpomo.typepad.com/conversation/2006/12/revolution_and_.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">this post</a> on the &#8220;church and postmodern culture&#8221; blog. The author has some interesting ideas about how the events that surround the birth of Christ might influence the way in which we engage our culture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Contributing / Consuming by guido</title>
		<link>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/12/22/contributing-consuming/#comment-25</link>
		<author>guido</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/12/22/contributing-consuming/#comment-25</guid>
					<description>This is really moving!

Something that I am wrestling with is this idea of "living for God" that seems to permeate our sermons, our exhortations, and our wisdom. I can recall so many times (and I've even done this myself) when someone is struggling with something and seeking the advice and encouragement from a fellow believer, and the advice and encouragement they receive is along the lines of "Well, you really need to just start living for God," or "You just need to give that up to God and He'll take care of you."

These Sunday-school answers are so different from the example I see in Jesus. To me, "living for God" just sounds way too neat and tidy, and it implies a degree of separation from all things not-God that I think is misleading. Jesus spoke in parables and answered questions with questions; why do we insist on giving one-liner responses when someone is really hurting?

Some parts of living for God that I've often overlooked:

- being engaged and in community with the people around you
- helping those people who are the farthest away from God
- living for God is not a 100% individual pursuit!

I really feel that the individualism and consumerism that I've been used to for so long is going to be the biggest hurdle in my desire to become more like Jesus. It sure is a good thing that He's put people in my life that are willing to share in these experiences with me.

Did that have anything to do with incarnation? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really moving!</p>
<p>Something that I am wrestling with is this idea of &#8220;living for God&#8221; that seems to permeate our sermons, our exhortations, and our wisdom. I can recall so many times (and I&#8217;ve even done this myself) when someone is struggling with something and seeking the advice and encouragement from a fellow believer, and the advice and encouragement they receive is along the lines of &#8220;Well, you really need to just start living for God,&#8221; or &#8220;You just need to give that up to God and He&#8217;ll take care of you.&#8221;</p>
<p>These Sunday-school answers are so different from the example I see in Jesus. To me, &#8220;living for God&#8221; just sounds way too neat and tidy, and it implies a degree of separation from all things not-God that I think is misleading. Jesus spoke in parables and answered questions with questions; why do we insist on giving one-liner responses when someone is really hurting?</p>
<p>Some parts of living for God that I&#8217;ve often overlooked:</p>
<p>- being engaged and in community with the people around you<br />
- helping those people who are the farthest away from God<br />
- living for God is not a 100% individual pursuit!</p>
<p>I really feel that the individualism and consumerism that I&#8217;ve been used to for so long is going to be the biggest hurdle in my desire to become more like Jesus. It sure is a good thing that He&#8217;s put people in my life that are willing to share in these experiences with me.</p>
<p>Did that have anything to do with incarnation? <img src='http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Christmas is about Incarnation by musings.from.the.porch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Contributing / Consuming</title>
		<link>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/12/02/christmas-is-about-incarnation/#comment-24</link>
		<author>musings.from.the.porch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Contributing / Consuming</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] And that is part of this experimental church we call “the.porch.” For some other thoughts, see the post on Incarnation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] And that is part of this experimental church we call “the.porch.” For some other thoughts, see the post on Incarnation [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What are the Core Principles Guiding The.Porch? by musings.from.the.porch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Contributing / Consuming</title>
		<link>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/12/08/what-are-the-core-principles-guiding-theporch/#comment-23</link>
		<author>musings.from.the.porch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Contributing / Consuming</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/12/08/what-are-the-core-principles-guiding-theporch/#comment-23</guid>
					<description>[...] And that is part of this experimental church we call “the.porch.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] And that is part of this experimental church we call “the.porch.” [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christmas is about Incarnation by guido</title>
		<link>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/12/02/christmas-is-about-incarnation/#comment-22</link>
		<author>guido</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/12/02/christmas-is-about-incarnation/#comment-22</guid>
					<description>I thought that you all might enjoy this. It's an excerpt from the liner notes of Sufjan Stevens' newly released Christmas album. I'm going to post some personal thoughts on Christmas as well, but in the meantime here's this:

"In December of 2001 (the Year of Epihanies), I decided to record a collection of Christmas songs at home in Brooklyn, as a kind of musical benedictions to a tumultuous year. It would be something to give as gifts for my family and friends, something with which to appease the apprehension of everyday life, which had been uprooted by all the extraordinary events in the world.

What did the angels renounce in the wake of the shepherds' trepidation? "Have no fear," they petitioned with trumpet blasts and a garish display of constellations. But that's like waving a gun in a bank lobby and demanding: "Everbody stay calm!" Music, of course, works much differently. The most discriminating of chord progressions can disarm the most arrogant of men, including myself. Christmas music does this to the highest degree. It intersects a supernatural phenomenon (the incarnation of God) with the sentimental mush of our mortal lives (presents, toys, Christmas tree ornaments, snow globes, cranberry sauce), leaving in its pathological wake a particular state of mind one can only describe as "that warm, fuzzy feeling." Was this what I was after? The search for existential significance in all that sentimental oatmeal? Perhaps, but I'm not so ceratin "Silent Night" and "Jingle Bells" can be used as an exegesis for the big questions in life. 

Or can they..."

Sufjan has much more to say about what Christmas means to him, and there's many interesting and moving tidbits written in the liner notes. It's really been making me think. I love the comparison between the Angels saying "Have no fear," and the bank robber saying "Everybody stay calm!"; I laughed out loud when I read that the first time. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that you all might enjoy this. It&#8217;s an excerpt from the liner notes of Sufjan Stevens&#8217; newly released Christmas album. I&#8217;m going to post some personal thoughts on Christmas as well, but in the meantime here&#8217;s this:</p>
<p>&#8220;In December of 2001 (the Year of Epihanies), I decided to record a collection of Christmas songs at home in Brooklyn, as a kind of musical benedictions to a tumultuous year. It would be something to give as gifts for my family and friends, something with which to appease the apprehension of everyday life, which had been uprooted by all the extraordinary events in the world.</p>
<p>What did the angels renounce in the wake of the shepherds&#8217; trepidation? &#8220;Have no fear,&#8221; they petitioned with trumpet blasts and a garish display of constellations. But that&#8217;s like waving a gun in a bank lobby and demanding: &#8220;Everbody stay calm!&#8221; Music, of course, works much differently. The most discriminating of chord progressions can disarm the most arrogant of men, including myself. Christmas music does this to the highest degree. It intersects a supernatural phenomenon (the incarnation of God) with the sentimental mush of our mortal lives (presents, toys, Christmas tree ornaments, snow globes, cranberry sauce), leaving in its pathological wake a particular state of mind one can only describe as &#8220;that warm, fuzzy feeling.&#8221; Was this what I was after? The search for existential significance in all that sentimental oatmeal? Perhaps, but I&#8217;m not so ceratin &#8220;Silent Night&#8221; and &#8220;Jingle Bells&#8221; can be used as an exegesis for the big questions in life. </p>
<p>Or can they&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Sufjan has much more to say about what Christmas means to him, and there&#8217;s many interesting and moving tidbits written in the liner notes. It&#8217;s really been making me think. I love the comparison between the Angels saying &#8220;Have no fear,&#8221; and the bank robber saying &#8220;Everybody stay calm!&#8221;; I laughed out loud when I read that the first time. <img src='http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Three zones of personality in New Testament Times - A clue from sociology by Adultery, Lust, Revenge, Me - musings.from.the.porch - the community blog for The Porch</title>
		<link>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/11/11/three-zones-of-personality-in-new-testament-times-a-clue-from-sociology/#comment-21</link>
		<author>Adultery, Lust, Revenge, Me - musings.from.the.porch - the community blog for The Porch</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] guido on Serving at The Porch Gatheringsguido on Contemplation: Essential Ingredientguido on Adultery, Lust, Revenge, MeServing at The Porch Gatherings - musings.from.the.porch - the community blog for The Porch on PorchEventsAdultery, Lust, Revenge, Me - musings.from.the.porch - the community blog for The Porch on Three zones of personality in New Testament Times - A clue from sociology [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] guido on Serving at The Porch Gatheringsguido on Contemplation: Essential Ingredientguido on Adultery, Lust, Revenge, MeServing at The Porch Gatherings - musings.from.the.porch - the community blog for The Porch on PorchEventsAdultery, Lust, Revenge, Me - musings.from.the.porch - the community blog for The Porch on Three zones of personality in New Testament Times - A clue from sociology [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Serving at The Porch Gatherings by guido</title>
		<link>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/11/13/serving-at-the-porch-gatherings/#comment-20</link>
		<author>guido</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think that by default I will be involved in the sound/media setup and takedown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that by default I will be involved in the sound/media setup and takedown.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Contemplation:  Essential Ingredient by guido</title>
		<link>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/11/12/contemplation-essential-ingredient/#comment-19</link>
		<author>guido</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree! I love the fact that we are attempting to honor God's &lt;i&gt;process&lt;/i&gt;, and not just the end result. It seems that of the many great sermons I have heard, I can remember very few of them. I think that being pulled out of that intimate moment of God moving among his people, and then being thrust back into the feverish pace of life can really stunt our spiritual growth. But allowing for that reflection time really helps us not to walk out the doors without being changed somehow.

It is so wonderful to leave the Porch every week still chewing on what we discussed, and then &lt;i&gt;continue&lt;/i&gt; to chew on it throughout the week! I'm still wrestling with what we discussed 3 weeks ago - how cool is that?! I think the environment of worship that God is creating in the Porch is something that really will help us to live the "transformed lives" that McLaren and Barna talked about at the conference. Sweet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree! I love the fact that we are attempting to honor God&#8217;s <i>process</i>, and not just the end result. It seems that of the many great sermons I have heard, I can remember very few of them. I think that being pulled out of that intimate moment of God moving among his people, and then being thrust back into the feverish pace of life can really stunt our spiritual growth. But allowing for that reflection time really helps us not to walk out the doors without being changed somehow.</p>
<p>It is so wonderful to leave the Porch every week still chewing on what we discussed, and then <i>continue</i> to chew on it throughout the week! I&#8217;m still wrestling with what we discussed 3 weeks ago - how cool is that?! I think the environment of worship that God is creating in the Porch is something that really will help us to live the &#8220;transformed lives&#8221; that McLaren and Barna talked about at the conference. Sweet!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Matthew 5:27-32 - Adultery, Lust, Revenge, Me by guido</title>
		<link>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/11/17/adultery-lust-revenge-me/#comment-18</link>
		<author>guido</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/2006/11/17/adultery-lust-revenge-me/#comment-18</guid>
					<description>When I read that passage, I feel that Jesus asking us think more "holistically" about how we live. As in verse 5:20, he is calling us to a righteousness that surpasses that of the Pharisees. Our hearts, our minds, our actions, our emotions, our impulses, our desires, - everything - must seek this righteousness that Jesus is talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read that passage, I feel that Jesus asking us think more &#8220;holistically&#8221; about how we live. As in verse 5:20, he is calling us to a righteousness that surpasses that of the Pharisees. Our hearts, our minds, our actions, our emotions, our impulses, our desires, - everything - must seek this righteousness that Jesus is talking about.</p>
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		<link>http://likemindeddeviants.porchlife.org/porch-business/#comment-17</link>
		<author>Serving at The Porch Gatherings - musings.from.the.porch - the community blog for The Porch</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 03:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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